Almost Immediately the City of Tustin Began Selling Off their “Free Toxic Hangar Land” to Developers – Who In Turn – Sold it Off as Apartment Homes – Offices – Shopping Centers – Medical Buildings and to “Home Builders” and then – to “You” – But Now – Your Dream Home Property Value “Just Got Reduced to “Junk” Status” – Where Did All that Money Go? Orange County Assessor: Tustin Fire Could Tank Property Values.

Orange County Assessor: Tustin Fire Could Tank Property Values

BY NOAH BIESIADA

Tustin homeowners could see a drop in their property taxes after an old air base hangar burned to the ground, showering the surrounding area in ash and debris containing asbestos.

“This is a disaster,” said County Assessor Claude Parrish in an interview. “You think anyone’s going to want to buy your home right now? No, it’s economic damage.”

“The damage could be for years,” he continued. “Who wants to buy something when you’re near that?”

Now, the county tax assessor is sending out over 23,000 notices to homeowners surrounding the ruins of the hangar, notifying them that they need to submit applications if they want their property values reassessed due to any damage to their homes.

Parrish, who lives near the hangar, said he tried to avoid going home during the fire because he could see the asbestos showering over his house.

“I’ve had flakes as big as a half an inch square,” Parrish said. “We had to put up with that for days.”

It’s unclear just how many homes could see an adjustment, with the letters noting the assessor will “make value adjustments as appropriate,” and stating that any property that suffered over $10,000 in damage “may be eligible for a temporary value adjustment.”

Property taxes are one of the pillars that fund cities and local school boards, meaning any adjustment could see a dip in funding for the agencies that rely on them.

For example, property taxes contributed roughly $23 million to Tustin’s overall $84 million general fund budget during its last fiscal year.

However, Parrish noted it was too early to make any determination on what the impact would be to local tax collection.

Tustin Mayor Austin Lumbard criticized the roll out of the notices, saying the assessor’s office didn’t send any messages to the city and he found out about the issue when it showed up in his own mailbox.

“The assessor sending something out about property damage without coordinating with anyone … could potentially lead to unnecessary alarm for other residents,” Lumbard said in a Monday interview. “Getting a letter like this is not helpful.”

Parrish said he isn’t required to work with any local agencies, and that he’s required by law to run tests like this after a major fire.

“There’s a loss in value definitely, the question is how much,” Parrish said. “We’re going to do a survey and find out how much.”

The Future of the Hangars

The final pieces of the hangar came down last Thursday, when demolition crews knocked down the doors that have stood since the 1940s – the last piece of the hangar that was still standing following the fire.

The future of the land is also up in the air, after Tustin leaders shot down plans from the county government to turn the spot into a regional park because they took too long to develop it.

The south hangar, which was unaffected by the blaze that burned down the hangar to the north, is also still waiting on future plans, but the site is too expensive for most people to use according to Lumbard.

“I probably get a call every week with someone who has an idea for it,” Lumbard said. “When we get to the point of actually engaging with these folks and explain the challenges, how there’s no active utilities, the challenges of cost and upkeep, they often back away.”

The city has already budgeted $8 million to try and get the hangar to the point that it can operate, and occasionally hosts events there, but right now it’s still costing the city money every year.

“We’re interested in talking with the right folks,” Lumbard said. “But it’s going to take someone with serious financing to come in.”

Noah Biesiada is a Voice of OC reporter and corps member with Report for America, a GroundTruth initiative. Contact him at [email protected] or on Twitter @NBiesiada.

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More than 70 Orange County firefighters battled a stubborn fire at one of two iconic, 17-story-high hangars at the shuttered Tustin Air Base early Tuesday morning, Nov. 7, authorities said, a blaze that will lead to the hangar’s demolition.

The cause of the fire — and where it began — so far were unclear.

Fire crews were called to the north hangar in Tustin just before 12:55 a.m. and began attacking the blaze with a defensive strategy from outside the building, Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Thanh Nguyen said.

No injuries were reported and firefighters did not believe anyone was inside the building when the fire broke out, he added.

“The biggest fear is collapse and getting our firefighters injured,” Nguyen said.

OCFA Chief Brian Fennessy said at a morning news conference the fire was expected to stretch across the length of the hangar, which will ultimately “need to be demolished”.

He said it could take a lengthy amount of time before the fire was out. When firefighters arrived, the blaze was intense.

“We expect the fire to continue … possibly until it gets to the other side of the hangar, and whether that be the end of the day, tomorrow — whether it stops at some point in between, we don’t know,” Fennessy said. “So at this point we’re standing back, keeping people and firefighters away and we’re watching.”

Flames tore through the roof of the massive structure. There appears to have been a partial roof collapse.

In fact, just before 6:30 a.m., firefighters said they planned to allow the hangar to collapse so that ground crews “can move in closer, and aggressively work to extinguish the fire.”

Firefighters at one point received assistance from helicopters, including a Boeing CH-47 Chinook, which can drop up to 3,000 gallons of water.

“It’s not a regular tactic to use a helicopter for a structure fire — however, this is not a regular fire, either,” Nguyen said.

“It was felt that perhaps — with our agency helicopter and the large Chinook — it was possible for us to maybe slow it down and maybe get our ladder trucks in close enough to be able to slow it down,” Fennessy said. “That was not the case, so we cancelled them and returned them.”

Smoke rising from the hangar was going straight up.

Arson investigators were on the scene. Police do regular patrol checks of the hangars, Tustin Chief Stu Greenberg said. He asked anyone with information about the fire or any activity at the hangar in previous days to call police.

The fire is in one of two hangars that once housed blimps used in World War II and later provided cover for military helicopters.

The hangars were built in 1942 during World War II, Fennessy said, and are two of the largest wooden structures ever constructed. They were named historic civil engineering landmarks in 1993.

The hangars have been featured in television and films, including for ”JAG, ” ”The X Files,” ”Austin Powers,” ”Pearl Harbor ” and ”Star Trek.”

For some time, there were plans to raze the north hangar and use the space to construct homes and a regional park, but plans never materialized. In August 2021, the City Council voted to scrap the park and maintain the site.

Tustin Mayor Austin Lumbard called it a sad day for the city and said the two hangars are more than just structures.

“It’s a personal thing to a lot of (the) Tustin community,” Lumbard said. “They mean so much to the city’s past, to the region’s military history.”

Before the fire, Lumbard said, a decision hadn’t been made on the ultimate faith for the north hangar. It was damaged by heavy winds in 2013 and had been supported by two cranes.

“It’s just been kind of sitting there, damaged,” Lumbard said. “There’s community sentiment that wants to save the hangars, (but it’s) very very cost prohibitive to repair those things and bring them up to commercial code.”

Lumbard said the city looks forward to collaborating on what ultimately will happen to the remaining hangar and the 85 acres surrounding it.

The city, he said, has recently invested in new fencing, adding no trespassing signs and cutting overgrown vegetation in the area.

Councilmember Letitia Clark said the U.S. Navy needed to do more.

“I think we did everything we could in our power to really ensure that the site was clean and safe,” Clark said. “I think the hindsight-20/20 part is really more on the Navy.”

Clark said the city has an operational agreement with the Navy, which owns both hangars.

“I hope that the Navy is now aware that there’s probably more that they could have done,” Clark said. “And, hopefully, there’s more they can do now in terms of helping us move forward with making sure the site is clean and that we can move forward to fully transitioning ownership of the (south) hangar from them to us.”

U.S. Navy officials could not be reached comment.

Tuesday morning, every few minutes, the dying structure emitted a loud, low rumble as the metal and wood inner lattice still holding up the curved roof started to give way, sending debris crashing down to the hangar floor in burning heaps.

By 9 a.m., fire crackled along the edges of the gaping hole now making up nearly half of the old hangar. Flames ripped through the interior, bursting through the hangar’s outer shell in spots.

The powerful fire created a billowing column of brownish, white smoke that helped ripped panels from the outside of the building, sending them twirling up in the air like confetti.

The loud snaps and pops of flames and the explosions periodically rumbling through the old structure served as the death throes of one of Orange County’s most iconic buildings.

Like giant soda cans tipped over in the sand, the twin, hulking hangars at the air base have sat here for longer than many locals have called Orange County home.

The air base was one of the first sights Curtis Schneider, 61, could remember when his family first drove through the area after moving here in the 1970s.

In a T-shirt, shorts, sandals and sunglasses, Schneider stood just behind the open driver’s side door of his car, holding his phone up to capture the destruction. When one loud blast roared from the burning building, he tensed up.

“Whoa!” he said, as others in the group of about 50 onlookers hooted and hollered. Still watching, Schneider took a quick drag from his vape pen.

He recalled standing on the floor of the hangar beneath its towering walls for different events over the years, when visitors were still allowed inside.

“We saw car shows in there, helicopter shows,” Schneider said. “We had some good times in that hangar.”

Tammy Murphy, 65, looked on in horror and wonder as decades of Southern California history burned to the ground in front of her. Murphy stood with her two grandchildren just behind a chain-link fence about a quarter of a mile from the hangar.

“Oh my god — so many emotions,” she said. “These were here when I was a kid growing up.”

She remembered seeing the Blue Angels perform here. Her father was in the military and would take her to shop at the base grocery store.

“It was bustling,” Murphy said, before the facility was closed for good in the 1990s.

Local officials tried for years to develop a plan for what to do with the hangars. It’s a history Schneider said he knew well. He answered his cellphone and spoke to the caller on speaker phone.

“That’s a historic building,” the caller said.

Schneider replied: “It was.”

Red embers could be seen along the remaining roof edge, with and smoke billowing up.

Lori Spiak, a lifelong Tustin resident, gasped at the sight.

Spiak said she hopes the south hangar is maintained — she and her friends have talked about how it could be turned into a concert venue or a soundstage.

Adora Cole said the hangar has been a fixture in her life since she was a child; she remembers Marines going by in with their pickups trucks when it was an active base.

“My heart is just broken,” Cole said. “It’s so close to home. It’s very, very upsetting.”

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Data analysis firm CoreLogic says that for every two homebuyers who moved to California from 2000 through 2015, five others sold their homes, packed up and moved out

Californians fleeing state’s high cost of housing

Nov. 14, 2016

California’s warm weather, sunny beaches and world-class schools have lured people to the Golden State for decades, but rising home prices are turning that equation around.

Data analysis firm CoreLogic says that for every two homebuyers who moved to California from 2000 through 2015, five others sold their homes, packed up and moved out.

Arizona and Texas were the top destinations for people moving out of California, CoreLogic reported. Only New Jersey had a higher ratio of fleeing homeowners during that period.

“California had the largest number of out-migrants in 2015,” CoreLogic Senior Economist Kristine Yao said in a blog post published Thursday.

The trend of out-migration was also noted in a separte trio of reports released earlier this year by Beacon Economics. Beacon noted that 625,000 more U.S. residents left California between 2007 and 2014 than moved into the state. The vast majority ended up in Texas, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona and Washington.

The search for more affordable housing is sending low- and middle-income workers out of the state, while higher-wage workers continue to move in, which argues against the theory that high taxes are driving people away.

“California has an employment boom with a housing problem,” said Beacon founding partner Christopher Thornberg. “The state continues to offer great employment opportunities for all kinds of workers, but housing affordability and supply represent a significant problem.”

Home prices and rents have been rising steadily for more than four years.

CoreLogic figures show Orange County’s median home price was up 42 percent in the four years ending in September. Prices were up 55 percent in Los Angeles County, 57 percent in Riverside County and 75 percent in San Bernardino County.

Although home sellers leaving California last year paid, on average, 36 percent less for their new homes out of state, they tended to end up in better neighborhoods, CoreLogic reported. Their purchase prices ranked in the 77th percentile for their new metro areas, while their sale prices ranked in the 62 percentile back home.

“Of the homeowners moving out of state, more of them sold in high appreciation, high cost areas and bought in lower appreciation, more affordable areas,” Yao wrote.

California home prices have risen in part because of a lack of inventory.

From 2005 to 2015, permits were filed for only 21.5 housing units per every 100 new residents in the state. That put the Golden State second to last behind Alaska, where only 16.2 housing permits were filed for every 100 new residents.

On the flip side, Michigan saw 166 permits filed for every 100 new residents.

Register staff writer Jeff Collins contributed to this report.

https://www.ocregister.com/articles/home-735151-prices-state.html

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