Home Developers – Juicy Property Taxes – All that Fire Department “Overtime” – and the Orange County Fire Authority – “See – You Need Us Factor” – Don’t Feel Bad – it’s “Just So Normal” to Wonder about what Caused the Tustin California MCAS Blimp Hangar Fire

More than 70 Orange County firefighters battled a stubborn fire at one of two iconic, 17-story-high hangars at the shuttered Tustin Air Base early Tuesday morning, Nov. 7, authorities said, a blaze that will lead to the hangar’s demolition.

The cause of the fire — and where it began — so far were unclear.

Fire crews were called to the north hangar in Tustin just before 12:55 a.m. and began attacking the blaze with a defensive strategy from outside the building, Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Thanh Nguyen said.

No injuries were reported and firefighters did not believe anyone was inside the building when the fire broke out, he added.

“The biggest fear is collapse and getting our firefighters injured,” Nguyen said.

OCFA Chief Brian Fennessy said at a morning news conference the fire was expected to stretch across the length of the hangar, which will ultimately “need to be demolished”.

He said it could take a lengthy amount of time before the fire was out. When firefighters arrived, the blaze was intense.

“We expect the fire to continue … possibly until it gets to the other side of the hangar, and whether that be the end of the day, tomorrow — whether it stops at some point in between, we don’t know,” Fennessy said. “So at this point we’re standing back, keeping people and firefighters away and we’re watching.”

Flames tore through the roof of the massive structure. There appears to have been a partial roof collapse.

In fact, just before 6:30 a.m., firefighters said they planned to allow the hangar to collapse so that ground crews “can move in closer, and aggressively work to extinguish the fire.”

Firefighters at one point received assistance from helicopters, including a Boeing CH-47 Chinook, which can drop up to 3,000 gallons of water.

“It’s not a regular tactic to use a helicopter for a structure fire — however, this is not a regular fire, either,” Nguyen said.

“It was felt that perhaps — with our agency helicopter and the large Chinook — it was possible for us to maybe slow it down and maybe get our ladder trucks in close enough to be able to slow it down,” Fennessy said. “That was not the case, so we cancelled them and returned them.”

Smoke rising from the hangar was going straight up.

Arson investigators were on the scene. Police do regular patrol checks of the hangars, Tustin Chief Stu Greenberg said. He asked anyone with information about the fire or any activity at the hangar in previous days to call police.

The fire is in one of two hangars that once housed blimps used in World War II and later provided cover for military helicopters.

The hangars were built in 1942 during World War II, Fennessy said, and are two of the largest wooden structures ever constructed. They were named historic civil engineering landmarks in 1993.

The hangars have been featured in television and films, including for ”JAG, ” ”The X Files,” ”Austin Powers,” ”Pearl Harbor ” and ”Star Trek.”

For some time, there were plans to raze the north hangar and use the space to construct homes and a regional park, but plans never materialized. In August 2021, the City Council voted to scrap the park and maintain the site.

Tustin Mayor Austin Lumbard called it a sad day for the city and said the two hangars are more than just structures.

“It’s a personal thing to a lot of (the) Tustin community,” Lumbard said. “They mean so much to the city’s past, to the region’s military history.”

Before the fire, Lumbard said, a decision hadn’t been made on the ultimate faith for the north hangar. It was damaged by heavy winds in 2013 and had been supported by two cranes.

“It’s just been kind of sitting there, damaged,” Lumbard said. “There’s community sentiment that wants to save the hangars, (but it’s) very very cost prohibitive to repair those things and bring them up to commercial code.”

Lumbard said the city looks forward to collaborating on what ultimately will happen to the remaining hangar and the 85 acres surrounding it.

The city, he said, has recently invested in new fencing, adding no trespassing signs and cutting overgrown vegetation in the area.

Councilmember Letitia Clark said the U.S. Navy needed to do more.

“I think we did everything we could in our power to really ensure that the site was clean and safe,” Clark said. “I think the hindsight-20/20 part is really more on the Navy.”

Clark said the city has an operational agreement with the Navy, which owns both hangars.

“I hope that the Navy is now aware that there’s probably more that they could have done,” Clark said. “And, hopefully, there’s more they can do now in terms of helping us move forward with making sure the site is clean and that we can move forward to fully transitioning ownership of the (south) hangar from them to us.”

U.S. Navy officials could not be reached comment.

Tuesday morning, every few minutes, the dying structure emitted a loud, low rumble as the metal and wood inner lattice still holding up the curved roof started to give way, sending debris crashing down to the hangar floor in burning heaps.

By 9 a.m., fire crackled along the edges of the gaping hole now making up nearly half of the old hangar. Flames ripped through the interior, bursting through the hangar’s outer shell in spots.

The powerful fire created a billowing column of brownish, white smoke that helped ripped panels from the outside of the building, sending them twirling up in the air like confetti.

The loud snaps and pops of flames and the explosions periodically rumbling through the old structure served as the death throes of one of Orange County’s most iconic buildings.

Like giant soda cans tipped over in the sand, the twin, hulking hangars at the air base have sat here for longer than many locals have called Orange County home.

The air base was one of the first sights Curtis Schneider, 61, could remember when his family first drove through the area after moving here in the 1970s.

In a T-shirt, shorts, sandals and sunglasses, Schneider stood just behind the open driver’s side door of his car, holding his phone up to capture the destruction. When one loud blast roared from the burning building, he tensed up.

“Whoa!” he said, as others in the group of about 50 onlookers hooted and hollered. Still watching, Schneider took a quick drag from his vape pen.

He recalled standing on the floor of the hangar beneath its towering walls for different events over the years, when visitors were still allowed inside.

“We saw car shows in there, helicopter shows,” Schneider said. “We had some good times in that hangar.”

Tammy Murphy, 65, looked on in horror and wonder as decades of Southern California history burned to the ground in front of her. Murphy stood with her two grandchildren just behind a chain-link fence about a quarter of a mile from the hangar.

“Oh my god — so many emotions,” she said. “These were here when I was a kid growing up.”

She remembered seeing the Blue Angels perform here. Her father was in the military and would take her to shop at the base grocery store.

“It was bustling,” Murphy said, before the facility was closed for good in the 1990s.

Local officials tried for years to develop a plan for what to do with the hangars. It’s a history Schneider said he knew well. He answered his cellphone and spoke to the caller on speaker phone.

“That’s a historic building,” the caller said.

Schneider replied: “It was.”

Red embers could be seen along the remaining roof edge, with and smoke billowing up.

Lori Spiak, a lifelong Tustin resident, gasped at the sight.

Spiak said she hopes the south hangar is maintained — she and her friends have talked about how it could be turned into a concert venue or a soundstage.

Adora Cole said the hangar has been a fixture in her life since she was a child; she remembers Marines going by in with their pickups trucks when it was an active base.

“My heart is just broken,” Cole said. “It’s so close to home. It’s very, very upsetting.”

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Americans stepped back from buying new homes in January, as purchases plunged sharply in western states where prices are typically higher

New-home sales tumble in January on big decline in West

WASHINGTON – Americans stepped back from buying new homes in January, as purchases plunged sharply in western states where prices are typically higher.

The Commerce Department said Wednesday that new-home sales fell 9.2% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 494,000. Most of the decline stemmed for a 32.1% in sales in the West. Sales also slipped in the Midwest, while edging up in the Northeast and South.

The pace of buying new homes last month slipped below last year’s sales total of 501,000, a possible sign of mounting price pressures despite low mortgage rates and job gains that have pushed the unemployment rate down to 4.9%. But new-home sales also tend to be a volatile government report with revisions and large swings on a monthly basis.

The decrease complicates the outlook for residential real estate. Rising demand for existing homes had sparked hopes that builders will ramp up construction and sales of new homes will accelerate. The 14.5% increase in new-home sales last year fed into those expectations. But builders have increasingly focused on the more affluent slivers of the market, while the decline in sales listings of existing homes indicate that many Americans may have lost interest in upgrading to a new property.

A curious price gap appears to have opened up because of these trends. The median new-home sales price fell 4.5% from a year ago to $278,800, likely because of fewer purchases in the West. But the average price — which includes the extremes of the market — has climbed 2.7% from a year ago to $365,700, a difference of nearly $100,000 compared to the median. The increase in the average price has consistently stayed ahead of wage growth, which limits affordability.

New-home sales still lag the historic 52-year average of 655,200. Subprime mortgages helped push up sales as high as 1.28 million in 2005, a peak that ultimately signaled a bubble that burst and pushed the economy into its worst downturn since the depression.

But demand for housing has recovered over the course of the 6 ½-year recovery from the recession.

Sales of existing homes rose 0.4% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.47 million, the National Association of Realtors said Tuesday. That increase comes on the heels of a strong 2015 when sales reached their highest level in nine years. Supply of homes has failed to increase in response to demand, causing the median sales price to rise 8.2 percent from a year ago to $213,800.

The rising prices have raised questions as to whether construction firms will build more homes to fulfill demand.

Housing starts dipped in January amid colder weather. Ground breakings fell 3.8% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.1 million homes, the Commerce Department said in a separate report. But for all of 2015, housing starts totaled 1.1 million, the most since 2007.

Homebuilders see room for further expansion, yet they’re slightly less hopeful.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo builder sentiment index dropped to 58 in February, a decrease of three points from January. The index had stayed in the low 60s since June. Readings above 50 indicate more builders view sales conditions as positive.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/02/24/new-home-sales-housing-market/80849626/

Property Taxes – Fees – Utilities – and HOAs $2000.00 a Month or More – at the Tustin Legacy? – Say Goodbye to Food – Cars and College

Tustin, California

Tax district for next Tustin Legacy homes?

Homeowners could pay as much as $2,050 each year on top of standard property taxes to live in the next phase of Tustin Legacy homes due to a special tax district planned for the development.

Tustin Unified School District wants extra tax revenue from that community facilities, or Mello-Roos, district to finance up to $75 million in improvements, including adding two new schools.

Those facilities are needed to serve the thousands of residents expected to move over the next two decades to Tustin Legacy, a master-planned community of homes and retail that’s being built on former Marine Corps Air Station property.

A large portion of that $75 million will be used to build a secondary school in two phases. First will come a junior high, with sixth through eighth grades. Next will come a high school.

The secondary school will be a magnet Technology, Innovation and Entrepreneurship Academy, according to plans supported by the TUSD board during a study session Monday. Curriculum will be focused on project-based learning, with technology courses covering video game design, robotics and coding, while business classes will cover topics such as leadership and creating a small-business plan.

Another significant chunk of the $75 million would be used to finally open and expand Heritage School, a 10-acre campus at 15400 Lansdowne Road that will be developed as a feeder to the magnet secondary school.

The elementary campus was built a few years ago, but TUSD says not enough school-age kids have moved into the Legacy community yet to justify starting classes there. Instead, the district has hosted adult students and administrator offices at the $12 million campus since 2013.

That decision angered local families, who said their children were being sent out of the area to overcrowded schools. And it prompted the city of Tustin to sue the school district in 2011, though a judge ruled that TUSD had the right to delay the school opening.

Figures presented during Monday’s meeting show that many schools are now bursting at the seams, with more residents coming soon.
The new Mello-Roos tax supported by the board Monday would apply to all homes built on vacant land roughly between Jamboree Road and Red Hill Avenue, east of Barranca Parkway and west of Edinger Avenue.

Owners of single-family homes there will pay from $1,325 to $2,050 in extra taxes for up to 40 years, depending on the size of the home. Townhome owners will pay from $875 up to $1,250 in taxes each year, while apartment owners will pay $600 and low-income homeowners will pay $215.

The district plans to hold a public hearing April 20 on forming the Mello-Roos district, which doesn’t require voter approval since no residents live there yet. Before that hearing, a TUSD team will draft a report on what new facilities are needed to accommodate growth for Tustin Legacy and how much those developments are estimated to cost.

The district is expected to vote on the plan May 18. Then it would head to the City Council for final approval May 19, since Tony Soria, chief financial officer for TUSD, said a small portion of the tax revenues would potentially support other public infrastructure needed in the area.

Contact the writer: 714-796-7963 or [email protected]

https://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-652286-district-tustin.html

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