City of Tustin Finds Their Asbestos “Doctor Downplay” – “Time will tell with asbestos and exposures,” “Unfortunately”, we don’t really know until about 20 to 30 years from now – Health officials had ‘dire’ concerns at start of Tustin hangar fire

When the Tustin Marine Corps Air Station’s northern blimp hangar caught on fire on Nov. 7, officials were gravely concerned about the possible health implications.

“In the beginning, I thought it was dire, right?” the county’s health officer, Dr. Regina Chinsio-Kwong, said. “I thought like, ‘Oh my goodness, it’s a large building that had a lot of different hazards in it,’ and I was thinking, of course, worst-case scenario, so that we can help protect individuals, or at least make sure that people would hopefully heed the guidance to minimize their exposure.”

Asbestos, lead and arsenic were detected in samples collected near the hangar the day it broke out, according to the South Coast Air Quality Management District. The Orange County Health Care Agency began advising people to avoid touching any ash or debris from the fire.

Some Tustin residents left their homes for weeks out of concern, and schools near the hangar were closed. Asbestos debris from the fire was found throughout Tustin; a cleanup effort led by the city continues with more than 1,400 homes affected.

Now, health officials say the community was spared the worst case and the health risk from the hangar fire has been minimal. Despite their assurances, some residents continue to worry about possible ongoing exposure and say they hope the city will do more testing and cleaning.

Over time, Chinsio-Kwong said she’s been reassured by environmental health experts and the extensive testing that indicates a limited risk to residents near the hangar. Air sampling never detected asbestos, according to health officials. Dust samples collected at city-owned parks and facilities did detect some asbestos at higher-than-background levels, according to lab tests obtained via a records request, and city officials said they have been cleaned by its contractors.

“Time will tell with asbestos and exposures,” Chinsio-Kwong said. “Unfortunately, we don’t really know until about 20 to 30 years from now, but I am feeling a little bit more reassured with the experts and their guidance saying, ‘Again, it’s more of a chronic occupational exposure that really puts people at risk for lung issues long-term and not these one-times incidents.’”

Early concerns

The hangar fire broke out just before 1 a.m. on Nov. 7. Less than six hours later, the Orange County Fire Authority decided to let the fire burn itself out because of safety concerns if it were to collapse with firefighters nearby.

The Marine Corps Air Station’s two blimp hangars were constructed in 1942, and were two of the largest wooden structures ever built. Dubbed “Titans of History” by the city, they have been a beloved backdrop of life in Tustin for decades, even after the base closed in 1999. Future uses have long been debated for the historic hangar structures, which contained asbestos and lead, according to a 2020 Orange County Grand Jury report.

“This could be one of the large scale asbestos exposure incidents and there is concern for residents as well as anyone in the local area during the fire, and this immediate period following the fire,” Chinsio-Kwong wrote to a colleague on Nov. 8 in an email obtained by The Orange County Register. The county health officer said she would advocate closing parks and local schools “until I can get better answers on the magnitude of asbestos levels.”

The hangar fire spewed asbestos chunks into homes and parks. The county health agency told residents to not touch the debris and to wear protective gear if “there is a high risk of encountering asbestos.”

There were concerns if the hangar doors would hold up. A collapse could send more debris into nearby homes. Chinsio-Kwong asked Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief Scott Wiedensohler in a text on Nov. 12 what the risk was.

“Confidence is pretty high that they won’t collapse,” he responded in a text back, adding steel beams hold the doors in place. “That said there’s always a chance. I’ve been playing that scenario through my mind all week.”

They didn’t collapse, and a contractor removed the door panels in December. Today, only four large concrete pillars remain from what was the north hangar. A contractor, over the weekend, sprayed additional tackifier to cover the debris remaining where the hangar once stood, “out of an abundance of caution in advance of potential future winter weather,” city officials said.

The fire smoldered for weeks after it began. Some residents moved away from their homes, staying at hotels or with friends or families. The Orange County Sheriff’s training academy closed for several weeks and the nearby OC Animal Care shelter kept the dogs and other animals inside, asking community members to step up and foster some to alleviate the crowding.

Air monitoring units were set up at more than 30 locations around the hangar, and no asbestos has been detected in more than 900 air samples, Christopher Kuhlman, a toxicologist and industrial hygienist at the Center for Toxicology and Environmental Health, said in December.

The highest concentration of fallout from the hangar is about a 1.4-mile radius around the hangar, Chinsio-Kwong said. City contractors for weeks have removed debris chunks from public rights-of-ways and the exteriors of people’s homes.

Results of testing the first week of the fire by the city’s contractor, Envirocheck, which haven’t been publicly posted, showed asbestos at higher than background levels at two city-owned facilities.

At Magnolia Tree Park, which is just under a mile northeast of the hangar, dust sampling taken on Nov. 11 detected asbestos fibers at above background levels inside the women’s restroom, on the floor and a changing table.

Testing also detected asbestos at above background levels on Nov. 12 at the Tustin Family & Youth Center – about two miles away from the hangar – on the preschool entry floor, a classroom west entry floor and a kitchen countertop.

Dr. Arthur Frank, who testifies in hundreds of legal cases a year related to asbestos and has advised officials in Tustin, said it’s unlikely that samples taken at those distances were from asbestos fibers released by the fire.

Kuhlman, who has been advising the city, also said you can’t know for sure if the asbestos in the dust samples came from the fire.

“The testing doesn’t distinguish between any specific source of asbestos, so you really can’t answer that question,” Kuhlman said.

The city closed parks on Nov. 8 and reopened them over the course of several weeks after contractors cleaned them.

Stephanie Najera, a spokesperson for the city said in an email that asbestos contractor ATI cleaned up city parks using industry-standard practices, including HEPA vacuuming and wet wiping of all horizontal surfaces and removing any potential asbestos debris. After cleanup, a certified asbestos consultant rechecked the locations before reopening.

The city, in its effort to get disaster aid from the state and federal governments, has told the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Service that the hangar fire has affected more than 12,000 people.

Those who live closest to the hangar say tests they have contracted for on their own continue to show the presence of asbestos and lead around their homes.

At a community meeting of concerned residents near the hangar last week, they spoke of their want for more testing, more extensive remediation of their homes than what’s been done, reimbursement for testing they paid for out of pocket and a plan to be shared for what will happen with the south hangar.

Acting City Manager Nicole Bernard, in a Dec. 29 letter to Cal OES, said emergency proclamations from the governor and president could lead to residents getting financial assistance for necessary expenses caused by the fire.

The city’s contractors have focused on picking up debris chunks around the exterior areas of homes. The city in December said it would start testing soil and the interiors of homes for asbestos and lead, but so far details for how residents can get their homes tested haven’t been released.

Susan Keefe, a resident near the hangar, said the contractors cleaning only the exteriors of people’s homes isn’t enough.

“They should be taking a top-down approach,” Keefe said. “They should be starting at people’s roofs and going down from there because otherwise, it’s just going to keep showing up again.”

If people heeded health advice, such as not touching fire debris, keeping windows closed and wearing masks and gloves, then their risk long term is minimal, Chinsio-Kwong said.

But she acknowledged the health guidance during the fire didn’t reach everyone. As the fire continued to burn, she saw people outside near the hangar not taking preventative measures.

“This is the learned lesson. We need to learn ways of really communicating in different ways to the community because not everybody listens to the news, not everybody listens to the radio, not everybody looks at the press releases,” Chinsio-Kwong said. “So, there’s got to be other mechanisms to get the word out.”

Frank said the hangar fire is not one people should spend the rest of their lives worrying about. At a late December community webinar, Frank said he considered being outside while the fire burned a “very low risk of exposure.”

If people should be worried, Frank, who is a professor at Drexel University, said he’d be the first one to go to bat for them in court.

“The likelihood,” he said, “of ever detecting asbestos disease from this (incident) is extraordinarily remote.”

If the “Pickpockets and Water Pimps” at “Tustin California” City Hall – have “their” Way – “Again” – Your Water Bill is Gonna Look More Like a “Car Payment” – It’s Never Ending and “You and I have just Begun the Water Fight of Our Lives”

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Dear Friend – Neighbor – and Tustin California Water Customer,

“Pretty soon your Water Bill is Gonna Look Like a Car Payment!”

Yes you can send in a protest letter and attend the Public Hearing on Water Rate Increases  but here’s a Reality Check – the City of Tustin Does Not Want to Hear from You – and Does Not Care what You think about this Water Rate Increase.

They’re Increasing Water Rates whether You Like it or Not!

So why the Public Hearing? Well – that’s the only way that the City of Tustin Water Works can Legally Pick-Your-Pocket with this Rate Increase.

During a Drought the City and other Water Departments will Tell You to “Cut Back” on your water usage – because like talking about “Climate Change” – it’s “Politically Correct” – but the “Reality” is that they want you to use as much water as possible – so they can support their “Lavish Salaries” – “Luxurious Benefits” and “Sweetheart Retirement Packages” – “things that “you” won’t get.”

Go ahead and send in your Letter of Protest – and watch the City Clerk Open Your Letter – Roll their Eyes – “Laugh” – and promptly throw it over to a Corner of their desk – or maybe in the trash can – a successful protest requires 51% of water customers to mail a formal protest and for it to be counted as valid.

I don’t have lots of Time to Fight this for “You” – so – You need to “Fight for Yourself”.

There are only a few ways you can negate and Stop this Water Rate Increase.

First and the “easiest” is to conduct a thorough Water use Audit at Your Home or Business – and make a Plan to Cut Your Water Use by at least Half – and even more if possible.

Second and won’t be as easy – is to use a Law Firm to fight and eliminate the Fixed Meter Charge – “around $24.00 a month residential “now” – even if you never use a single drop of water” – this”Penalizes Water Savers” and may be patently “Illegal”.

You can fight this Now – or – you can wait until your Water Bill is $1,000.00 a month – and you and your Family can’t afford to Bathe – because that’s where the Pickpockets are Going with Water!

That’s why I have copied this letter to the Governor of California and other State of California and County of Orange Officials.

You and I have just begun the “Water Fight of Our Lives” and we need to beckon the State of California to “Step In and Take Over City of Tustin Water” and “Stop the Mismanagement and Pimping” of our “Life and Health Sustaining Water Resources”.

This is a Game of “Water Chicken” – that must be Stopped – “Right Now” – You and I Cut Back on Our Water Usage – the City and Water Departments then Raise Rates Again – Cut and Raise – Cut and Raise – and Cut and Raise – when “Finally” You and I reach a “Cut Back Dead End” – where we can “No Longer Cut Back on Our Water Usage” – there’s nowhere left to Cut – without Sacrificing Our Health and Safety – and the Health and Safety of Our Families and Children.

Talking Points and Issues

1. Instead of spending millions building a filtering system for the “polluted wells” – “Water Employee Job Security” – we should just close the wells and buy all water from Colorado River Sources – as is occurring now – closing the Wells and eliminating employees and other expenses will go a long way towards a “Water Rate Reduction”.

2. The Fixed Meter Charge – “around $24.00 a month residential “now” – even if you never use a single drop of water” – “Penalizes Water Savers” and may be patently “Illegal”.

3. We need to hire a Law Firm and “Force” an independent Audit of both the Water Department and City Hall – looking for expenses and people we can “Cut” – and Possibly effect a “Water Rate “Reduction” not Increase.

4. City Hall and Water Employees “Pickpockets and Water Pimps” – live in a “Perpetual Pay Raises” – “Lavish Benefits” – and “Lush Retirement Packages” – “La La Land” – while the rest of us suffer with never ending and outrageous expense increases.

5. Our first line of defense against the “Pickpockets and Water Pimps” is to Immediately audit your household and business water usage – with the goal of reducing your consumption by – fully 50% – as I mentioned – “the System is Rigged” and the Fixed Meter Charge of around $24.00 a month residential “Penalizes Water Savers” – so we must pursue a Legal Remedy to eliminate the Fixed Meter Charge – altogether – this Way Water Savers – Save – and Water Users – Pay.

Best regards, good luck and good health to everybody,

Dave – Tustin Water Customer

CITY OF TUSTIN WATER PROPOSED RATE INCREASE
https://www.tustinca.org/242/Water-Rates

Recent Actual Tustin California Water Bill

2 Month Water Bill Dated 9/11/2023

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $129.60
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $46.03
Total Charges: **** $175.63

New Rates Applied to Same Usage Beginning in 2024

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $142.80
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $49.73
Total Charges: *****$192.53

New Rates Applied to Same Usage Beginning in 2025

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $156.00
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $54.21
Total Charges: *****$210.21

New Rates Applied to Same Usage Beginning in 2026

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $170.40
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $59.09
Total Charges: *****$229.49

New Rates Applied to Same Usage Beginning in 2027

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $186.00
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $64.41
Total Charges: *****$250.41

New Rates Applied to Same Usage Beginning in 2028

Water: Water Consumption Consumption 40 Units $202.80
Fixed Meter Charge 5/8″ $70.21
Total Charges: *****$273.01

These New Water Rates represent – a $50.00 “per month” Water Rate “Increase”  by 2028 – but – Way – Way – More – than that – if You have a Large Family – or – Operate a Business.

And – It’s Never Ending!

Here’s the last Tustin Water Rate Increase – other Water Companies were Sued and the Tiered Rate System was deemed Illegal.

https://savetustin.com/tag/water/

Rates just went up by 5% each year – already!

As of February 1, 2020, the City of Tustin moved to a fixed-rate fee system from a tiered-rate system. This means all customers will be charged the same flat fee of $2.79 for each unit of water (748 gallons) used regardless of how much water is consumed. Since 2014, Tustin’s unit cost has ranged from $0.84 to $4.05 per unit depending on amount of usage (i.e. tiered system). On each January 1 over the next four years (2021-2024), the new unit cost of $2.79 will increase by 5 percent as part of this five-year rate plan.

https://www.tustinca.org/DocumentCenter/View/3441/Water-Rates—FAQ-041520

Trivia:

In 1958 the Privately Owned Tustin Water Works Installed No Residential Water Meters – and Households Paid a Flat Total Fee for Water Use of just $5.00 per month.

TO PROTEST WATER RATE INCREASES:

Get involved!

Attend a public meeting December 5th, 2023 7 PM – Tustin California City Council Chamber about the water rate adjustment to hear from the City about the proposed water rates and why the increase is needed.
Call the hotline for more information at (714) 573-3099
Email Customer Service on Water Rates [email protected]

Attend the Public Hearing and or:

Address your letter as follows and Postmark Prior to Public Hearing December 5th, 2023 7 PM – Tustin California City Council Chamber.

“I Protest any and All Proposed Water Rate Increases”

In California, Proposition 218 allows customers to comment on the proposed water rates prior to or during a public hearing. Consistent with the provisions of Proposition 218, and California Government Code § 53755, this notice has been mailed to all customers whose names and addresses appear in the current customer database of the City of Tustin and property owners within the service area based on the most current information published by the Orange County Assessor. If you object to the proposed fees as described in this Notice, you may file a written protest with the City Clerk prior to the close of the
public hearing.

Written protests can be mailed or personally delivered to:

City of Tustin – City Clerk’s Office
300 Centennial Way
Tustin, CA 92780-3767

A valid protest must include all of the following information:

1. Customer name and account number or name of property owner;
2. Service address;
3. Assessor parcel number;
4. A statement of protest (“I protest” will suffice); and
5. The original signature of the protesting customer/property owner (photocopies will not be accepted).
The City Clerk will accept only one protest per parcel served by Tustin Water. The City Clerk will determine the validity of all protests submitted and exclude any invalid protests from the final tabulation.
The City Clerk may confer with the City Attorney in determining the validity of written protests. As part of this process, the City Attorney may review contested or suspect protest forms. The City Clerk’s decisions shall be final and binding. In the preliminary determination of validity, the City Clerk will disregard as invalid all protests in the following categories:

1. The purported protest is a photocopy and does not contain an original authorized signature;and/or
2. The purported protest does not identify the customer/property owner by name; and/or
3. The customer/property owner has not signed the purported protest; and/or
4. The purported protest does not have an identifiable statement of protest; and/or
5. The purported protest is one of multiple protests returned for a single service address; and/or
6. The purported protest’s appearance or method of delivery reflects any other circumstances which reasonably demonstrate that the protest has been tampered with or is otherwise invalid.
7. The purported protest is received later than close of the public hearing on December 5th 2023 7 PM
For questions regarding this Notice or protest procedures, contact the City Clerk’s Office at (714) 573-3000

If you or your Law Firm has received this message and is interested in representing Tustin California Water Ratepayers – a Retainer Payment of $5000.00 may be available – immediately – inquire.

If you received this message and aren’t sure if your neighbor or other Tustin Water Customer did – Please Share the Love – and Forward this Message as You See Fit.

“Doing nothing is always “easier” – but – doing “something” – is better!”

How to challenge an unfair water rate increase:

https://savetustin.com/blogfiles/WaterRatesProp218_Eng.pdf

GET PAID TO REMOVE YOUR LAWNS AND SAVE BIG ON WATER!

The Municipal Water District of Orange County (MWDOC), the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, and your local water agency are proud to offer the Turf Removal Program to qualifying residents and businesses across Orange County.

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Rebates start at $3 per square foot of turf grass removed – the savings really adds up!
Get paid to transform your landscape and upgrade your outdated irrigation system.

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Rebates are limited. Apply today to take advantage of these significant benefits and more!
Artificial or Synthetic Turf is not eligible for a rebate.

Please do not remove your grass until your application is approved. Projects that are underway or already completed prior to the receipt of the “Notice to Proceed” email are not eligible to participate.

For questions about the program, please call (714) 593-5036 or email [email protected].

https://www.mwdoc.com/save-water/rebates/residential-rebates/turf-removal/

Remember you can also protest Water Rate Increases by Buying Your Next Car – TV – Refrigerator and Other Larger Purchases – Inside a City – that is “Outside” the City of Tustin California!

If you operate a Business in Tustin California – You already Know – that these could be the Water Rate Increases – that – Put-You-“Out”-of-Business!

We Love You Howard Jarvis – RIP – and Thank You for Everything!

After years of work by tax revolt leaders Howard and Estelle Jarvis, Proposition 13 was overwhelmingly approved by voters on June 6, 1978. But Howard and Estelle knew that taxpayers’ gains would be temporary without a permanent citizens organization to protect Proposition 13 and to continue the movement against higher taxes. To meet this need, they founded the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association (originally called the California Tax Reduction Movement).

Although Howard Jarvis passed away in 1986 and his wife Estelle in 2006, the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association continues their important work.

And with the constant pressure from government for higher taxes, the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association’s role as the legal and political watchdog of Proposition 13 is more important than ever.

https://www.hjta.org/about-hjta/the-history-of-hjta/

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Americans stepped back from buying new homes in January, as purchases plunged sharply in western states where prices are typically higher

New-home sales tumble in January on big decline in West

WASHINGTON – Americans stepped back from buying new homes in January, as purchases plunged sharply in western states where prices are typically higher.

The Commerce Department said Wednesday that new-home sales fell 9.2% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 494,000. Most of the decline stemmed for a 32.1% in sales in the West. Sales also slipped in the Midwest, while edging up in the Northeast and South.

The pace of buying new homes last month slipped below last year’s sales total of 501,000, a possible sign of mounting price pressures despite low mortgage rates and job gains that have pushed the unemployment rate down to 4.9%. But new-home sales also tend to be a volatile government report with revisions and large swings on a monthly basis.

The decrease complicates the outlook for residential real estate. Rising demand for existing homes had sparked hopes that builders will ramp up construction and sales of new homes will accelerate. The 14.5% increase in new-home sales last year fed into those expectations. But builders have increasingly focused on the more affluent slivers of the market, while the decline in sales listings of existing homes indicate that many Americans may have lost interest in upgrading to a new property.

A curious price gap appears to have opened up because of these trends. The median new-home sales price fell 4.5% from a year ago to $278,800, likely because of fewer purchases in the West. But the average price — which includes the extremes of the market — has climbed 2.7% from a year ago to $365,700, a difference of nearly $100,000 compared to the median. The increase in the average price has consistently stayed ahead of wage growth, which limits affordability.

New-home sales still lag the historic 52-year average of 655,200. Subprime mortgages helped push up sales as high as 1.28 million in 2005, a peak that ultimately signaled a bubble that burst and pushed the economy into its worst downturn since the depression.

But demand for housing has recovered over the course of the 6 ½-year recovery from the recession.

Sales of existing homes rose 0.4% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.47 million, the National Association of Realtors said Tuesday. That increase comes on the heels of a strong 2015 when sales reached their highest level in nine years. Supply of homes has failed to increase in response to demand, causing the median sales price to rise 8.2 percent from a year ago to $213,800.

The rising prices have raised questions as to whether construction firms will build more homes to fulfill demand.

Housing starts dipped in January amid colder weather. Ground breakings fell 3.8% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.1 million homes, the Commerce Department said in a separate report. But for all of 2015, housing starts totaled 1.1 million, the most since 2007.

Homebuilders see room for further expansion, yet they’re slightly less hopeful.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo builder sentiment index dropped to 58 in February, a decrease of three points from January. The index had stayed in the low 60s since June. Readings above 50 indicate more builders view sales conditions as positive.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/02/24/new-home-sales-housing-market/80849626/

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