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More than 70 Orange County firefighters battled a stubborn fire at one of two iconic, 17-story-high hangars at the shuttered Tustin Air Base early Tuesday morning, Nov. 7, authorities said, a blaze that will lead to the hangar’s demolition.

The cause of the fire — and where it began — so far were unclear.

Fire crews were called to the north hangar in Tustin just before 12:55 a.m. and began attacking the blaze with a defensive strategy from outside the building, Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Thanh Nguyen said.

No injuries were reported and firefighters did not believe anyone was inside the building when the fire broke out, he added.

“The biggest fear is collapse and getting our firefighters injured,” Nguyen said.

OCFA Chief Brian Fennessy said at a morning news conference the fire was expected to stretch across the length of the hangar, which will ultimately “need to be demolished”.

He said it could take a lengthy amount of time before the fire was out. When firefighters arrived, the blaze was intense.

“We expect the fire to continue … possibly until it gets to the other side of the hangar, and whether that be the end of the day, tomorrow — whether it stops at some point in between, we don’t know,” Fennessy said. “So at this point we’re standing back, keeping people and firefighters away and we’re watching.”

Flames tore through the roof of the massive structure. There appears to have been a partial roof collapse.

In fact, just before 6:30 a.m., firefighters said they planned to allow the hangar to collapse so that ground crews “can move in closer, and aggressively work to extinguish the fire.”

Firefighters at one point received assistance from helicopters, including a Boeing CH-47 Chinook, which can drop up to 3,000 gallons of water.

“It’s not a regular tactic to use a helicopter for a structure fire — however, this is not a regular fire, either,” Nguyen said.

“It was felt that perhaps — with our agency helicopter and the large Chinook — it was possible for us to maybe slow it down and maybe get our ladder trucks in close enough to be able to slow it down,” Fennessy said. “That was not the case, so we cancelled them and returned them.”

Smoke rising from the hangar was going straight up.

Arson investigators were on the scene. Police do regular patrol checks of the hangars, Tustin Chief Stu Greenberg said. He asked anyone with information about the fire or any activity at the hangar in previous days to call police.

The fire is in one of two hangars that once housed blimps used in World War II and later provided cover for military helicopters.

The hangars were built in 1942 during World War II, Fennessy said, and are two of the largest wooden structures ever constructed. They were named historic civil engineering landmarks in 1993.

The hangars have been featured in television and films, including for ”JAG, ” ”The X Files,” ”Austin Powers,” ”Pearl Harbor ” and ”Star Trek.”

For some time, there were plans to raze the north hangar and use the space to construct homes and a regional park, but plans never materialized. In August 2021, the City Council voted to scrap the park and maintain the site.

Tustin Mayor Austin Lumbard called it a sad day for the city and said the two hangars are more than just structures.

“It’s a personal thing to a lot of (the) Tustin community,” Lumbard said. “They mean so much to the city’s past, to the region’s military history.”

Before the fire, Lumbard said, a decision hadn’t been made on the ultimate faith for the north hangar. It was damaged by heavy winds in 2013 and had been supported by two cranes.

“It’s just been kind of sitting there, damaged,” Lumbard said. “There’s community sentiment that wants to save the hangars, (but it’s) very very cost prohibitive to repair those things and bring them up to commercial code.”

Lumbard said the city looks forward to collaborating on what ultimately will happen to the remaining hangar and the 85 acres surrounding it.

The city, he said, has recently invested in new fencing, adding no trespassing signs and cutting overgrown vegetation in the area.

Councilmember Letitia Clark said the U.S. Navy needed to do more.

“I think we did everything we could in our power to really ensure that the site was clean and safe,” Clark said. “I think the hindsight-20/20 part is really more on the Navy.”

Clark said the city has an operational agreement with the Navy, which owns both hangars.

“I hope that the Navy is now aware that there’s probably more that they could have done,” Clark said. “And, hopefully, there’s more they can do now in terms of helping us move forward with making sure the site is clean and that we can move forward to fully transitioning ownership of the (south) hangar from them to us.”

U.S. Navy officials could not be reached comment.

Tuesday morning, every few minutes, the dying structure emitted a loud, low rumble as the metal and wood inner lattice still holding up the curved roof started to give way, sending debris crashing down to the hangar floor in burning heaps.

By 9 a.m., fire crackled along the edges of the gaping hole now making up nearly half of the old hangar. Flames ripped through the interior, bursting through the hangar’s outer shell in spots.

The powerful fire created a billowing column of brownish, white smoke that helped ripped panels from the outside of the building, sending them twirling up in the air like confetti.

The loud snaps and pops of flames and the explosions periodically rumbling through the old structure served as the death throes of one of Orange County’s most iconic buildings.

Like giant soda cans tipped over in the sand, the twin, hulking hangars at the air base have sat here for longer than many locals have called Orange County home.

The air base was one of the first sights Curtis Schneider, 61, could remember when his family first drove through the area after moving here in the 1970s.

In a T-shirt, shorts, sandals and sunglasses, Schneider stood just behind the open driver’s side door of his car, holding his phone up to capture the destruction. When one loud blast roared from the burning building, he tensed up.

“Whoa!” he said, as others in the group of about 50 onlookers hooted and hollered. Still watching, Schneider took a quick drag from his vape pen.

He recalled standing on the floor of the hangar beneath its towering walls for different events over the years, when visitors were still allowed inside.

“We saw car shows in there, helicopter shows,” Schneider said. “We had some good times in that hangar.”

Tammy Murphy, 65, looked on in horror and wonder as decades of Southern California history burned to the ground in front of her. Murphy stood with her two grandchildren just behind a chain-link fence about a quarter of a mile from the hangar.

“Oh my god — so many emotions,” she said. “These were here when I was a kid growing up.”

She remembered seeing the Blue Angels perform here. Her father was in the military and would take her to shop at the base grocery store.

“It was bustling,” Murphy said, before the facility was closed for good in the 1990s.

Local officials tried for years to develop a plan for what to do with the hangars. It’s a history Schneider said he knew well. He answered his cellphone and spoke to the caller on speaker phone.

“That’s a historic building,” the caller said.

Schneider replied: “It was.”

Red embers could be seen along the remaining roof edge, with and smoke billowing up.

Lori Spiak, a lifelong Tustin resident, gasped at the sight.

Spiak said she hopes the south hangar is maintained — she and her friends have talked about how it could be turned into a concert venue or a soundstage.

Adora Cole said the hangar has been a fixture in her life since she was a child; she remembers Marines going by in with their pickups trucks when it was an active base.

“My heart is just broken,” Cole said. “It’s so close to home. It’s very, very upsetting.”

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Column: The results of this ‘dangerous’ experiment are in, and may be the old guard’s worst nightmare

Burly men packed the room, arms folded across their barrel chests. There wasn’t enough space for them all. Hundreds spilled into overflow rooms.

Dangerous. Destined to fail. Deceitful. Horrific mistake.

One after another, firefighters and their union reps paraded to the microphone, trying to scare the bejeezus out of the mild-mannered councilfolk of little Placentia.

Risky gamble with people’s lives. Half-baked. Untested. Extreme.

It was 2019 and the wee city was contemplating the unthinkable — being the first to pull out of the regional (and very expensive!) Orange County Fire Authority (with its state-of-the-art water-dropping helicopters and bulldozers and hazmat equipment and swift water boats) to form its own “Fire and Life Safety Department.”

But it wasn’t just that. Placentia would do the even more unthinkable: Cleave firefighting duties from emergency medical duties.

No more (very expensive!) firefighters who are also paramedics at every call. No more 25-ton fire trucks arriving beside ambulances for routine medical mishaps. No more fire trucks and their (constant-staffing as per union contract) four-man crews accompanying those ambulances to the hospital and waiting (“wall time”) until the patient is taken by the E.R. before returning to service.

In Placentia’s proposed revolutionary setup (which is really only revolutionary in Orange and Los Angeles counties), firefighters would do the firefighting and a private ambulance company would do the emergency medical/paramedic/lifesaving.

To the old guard in that room that night, this was Armageddon. The crack that could bring down the entire dam. It had to be stopped.

“A Placentia Police Department officer, God forbid, gets shot on these streets — I tell you right now they’ll be the first ones, as they’re bleeding out, wishing OCFA was en route, not a new fire department with volunteers,” Frank Lima of the International Association of Fire Fighters told the city council. “This dangerous decision is going to put somebody standing in front of a church at a funeral and you will own it. This vote’s going to follow you and we’ll make sure of that.”

And so it went. For hours. “Your consultants are selling you snake oil. You can’t get more with less. Your consultants — I’m going to tell you right to your face,” snarled Brian Rice, president of California Professional Firefighters, searching the audience for them. “If one member, whether they’re OCFA or one of these volunteers, gets injured, I’m going to come back and I’m going to sue your ass for everything you’ve got.”

We recall thinking that Placentia was, indeed, a bit crazy at the time. Providing services regionally is, at least theoretically, the more efficient way to go.

But these are fire services we’re talking about. Unions and management have agreed to staff up to handle extreme scenarios, despite their rarity, resulting in some crazy costs.

To wit: A Los Angeles city firefighter made more than $500,000 in overtime alone last year. An Alameda County firefighter made more than $400,000 in overtime alone. An Orange County Fire Authority firefighter made more than $290,000 in overtime alone. Surely, there has to be a better way.

Understand that little Placentia – population of approximately 52,000 – has teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. Its OCFA bill jumped a stunning 47% over a decade, for zero extra personnel or services. Its general fund budget increased only 12% over that time, and its police department budget was sliced 9% to help make way for the increased costs.

Craig Green was a city councilmember that fateful night. He gazed out the giant picture windows of the trendy Golden State Coffee Roasters in the heart of Old Town and grinned. “No dead bodies in the streets,” he said.

Four years later, the results of Placentia’s “half-baked,” “dangerous,” “reckless” experiment are in. And they may be the old guard’s worst nightmare.

COSTLY AND OUTDATED

City Administrator Damien Arrula was the rudder that kept the ship steady through stormy waters. Young, energetic, plain-spoken and well-versed in economic development and management analytics, he fought back at the fear-mongering and intimidation. He laid out painstakingly detailed, data-driven analyses of the city’s actual emergency needs and how they could be met with improved safety for less money.

” ‘Unproven,’ ‘untested,’ ‘half-baked’ — these claims are false, absolutely false,” Arrula told the city councilmembers.

In fact, 56 out of California’s 58 counties already provide 911 advanced life support with private paramedic services providers. That includes nearby Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura and San Diego counties.

Damien Arrula, Placentia’s city administrator, couldn’t get the Orange County Fire Authority to budge on rising service costs, so he took on a big challenge: starting a new city fire department. He bought equipment and is looking to hire firefighters and a chief so the department can begin operating in July 2020. (File photo by Bill Alkofer, Orange. County Register/SCNG)

“This is not only the primary model in California, but throughout most of the U.S.,” he said. “Only two counties in California do not currently use private 911 ALS paramedic services – Orange and Los Angeles.”

The city’s consultants did an enlightening “workload analysis” examining OCFA data. They found that:

  • Placentia averaged 7.1 emergency medical calls per day, and 2 calls for other emergencies, for a total of 9.1 calls.
  • That means nearly 80% of those 911 calls — 4 out of 5 — were for medical, not fire.
  • Only 0.8% of calls were for structure fires, and only 8 of those had losses exceeding $20,000.
  • 90% of calls were handled with one engine.
  • The average call duration was 23.2 minutes, with 6 to 8 minutes of response time.
  • The actual workload of an on-duty firefighter was 3.9 hours per 24-hour work period.

And despite all the chatter about how deadly a “volunteer” fire department would be, Arrula said Placentia’s new Fire and Life Safety Department would be a professional operation with professional firefighters and reserves who could help in a pinch. It would have two trucks in the city, just as OCFA did, each staffed with three rather than four firefighters. It would have two Lynch EMS ambulances carrying four trained and licensed paramedics on duty 24/7, an increase in lifesaving personnel.

OCFA’s service and firefighters are great, the city council concluded. But its model is costly and outdated. Despite intimidation and outright threats — mutual aid might be withheld by surrounding fire departments during a big emergency — the council decided that a local department controlled directly by the city would better meet its residents’ needs. Its goals were to reduce response time, improve fire prevention and improve quality of emergency medical care.

Four years down the road, the numbers speak for themselves. According to Placentia:

  • Under OCFA, the response time for fire calls was 9 minutes and 30 seconds.
  • Under Placentia’s new fire department, that shrank to 6 minutes and 21 seconds.
  • Under OCFA, the response time for emergency medical calls was 9 minutes and 30 seconds.
  • Under Lynch EMS, that shrank to 4 minutes and 48 seconds.
  • Among cardiac arrest patients in Placentia, Lynch paramedics were able to restore a pulse 58.8% of the time in 2021-22 and 54.2% of the time in 2022-23 — more than twice the national averages.

On the fiscal front, this improved performance has saved the city more than $1 million each year over what it would have paid OCFA — savings that’s expected to average out to $3 million a year over the next decade as OCFA costs continue to rise. That’s real money over the long haul: more than $30 million saved by 2032, and close to $60 million saved by 2038, according to Placentia’s projections.

And overtime? The firefighter with the most overtime pay in Placentia earned just shy of $51,000 in OT — a fraction of what the top OT earners rake in at other agencies.

“It’s been an amazing few years,” an almost-astonished Walt Lynch of Lynch EMS told the city council earlier this month. “If you asked me back then if I’d be sharing this with you today, I’m not sure I would have said yes.”

Councilmember Rhonda Shader was mayor that night back in 2019, retaining poise in the onslaught of threats. “The nimbleness of this model, it’s turning out to be more than we hoped for,” she said.

Arrula was vindicated. “This is really amazing work when you talk about fundamentally saving lives,” he said. “Really unprecedented.”

CHANGE

So what do all the purveyors of doom have to say about all this?

We reached out to several unions and union reps who had warned of death and destruction. No one was chatty on the record, but there was suspicion about the veracity of Placentia’s data.

Predictions that Placentia would be so weak it would need constant backup from surrounding agencies? The 2021 data showed 128 mutual aid calls into Placentia under the new department, versus 806 under OCFA in 2019. (It responded to 104 mutual aid calls in 2021 versus 457 in 2019; Placentia is now called upon less by its neighbors. A snub?)

In an emailed statement, OCFA said this:

“The OCFA recognizes that there are a few jurisdictions in the state that utilize a non-fire-based EMS delivery systems due to their budgetary constraints. OCFA is fortunate and proud that our leadership supports a robust and proven Fire & EMS system that puts two firefighter/paramedics (along with two additional firefighters) to the side of our patients with speed, efficiency, competence, and care.”

The takeaway here is that there are other, more economical and efficient ways to deliver emergency services, but that the forces working against change are enormous. The old guard tried hard to thwart Placentia, asking surrounding cities not to enter into mutual aid agreements to help in emergencies, asking other agencies not to bid on Placentia’s fire and life safety contracts, threatening the city with lawsuits.

But change arrived nonetheless in Placentia, and it’s coming for everyone else.

“The DNA of fire departments is to respond to EVERYTHING and help EVERY TIME,” says a white paper called “21st Century Fire and Rescue,” co-chaired by retired Anaheim Fire Chief Randy Bruegman.

“While fires may be diminishing due to better engineering, codes and enforcement along with an increased focus on community risk reduction activities, calls for service are up for every department. These calls are for help, and the calls received today are much broader in scope. The services required often fall outside the traditional scope of fire and emergency services.”

Bruegman sees real opportunity here to deploy resources differently and more effectively, as has been done in Anaheim: sending nurse practitioners or behavioral health workers or community paramedics when that makes sense, rather than running four people on a 50,000-pound fire apparatus to everything.

“We need to look at what our statistics and data are telling us: Our demand for fire and rescue calls have gone down over the last 30 years, but call volume has skyrocketed,” he said. “It’s about how we address those calls in the most efficient and effective manner.”

As technology improves, precision will increase: Soon our wearable fitness devices will be able to transmit medical information to dispatch centers. Cars will alert first responders to traffic accidents. Smart buildings will send data instantaneously on emergencies.

“That’s going to change the way we do business in the future,” said Bruegman, president and founder of the Leadership Crucible Foundation. “There’s going to be a need for fire suppression, response and rescue for many, many years to come, maybe forever, but I think it will become a small component of our overall system.”

Many folks in Placentia agree. According to its most recent audit, the city that once teetered on the bankruptcy abyss had a 17% cushion for its general fund (for you numbers types, that’s a $7.2 million unassigned fund balance, compared to expenses of $42.1 million).

Back in 2012, that fund balance was in negative territory.

Green, the former city councilman who was on the dais when the decision was made back in 2019, had served on the OCFA board of directors and has great respect for the agency. “But Placentia doesn’t need helicopters. Placentia doesn’t need bulldozers,” he said. “We wanted our city to be fiscally sustainable, and now it is. We wanted to do this — and lo and behold, it works.”

Recall, funded by Santa Ana police union, moves forward against councilwoman – Police Officers Association has paid $220,000 to remove Cecilia Iglesias, who voted against police pay raise. “City Hall is being managed by third-party interests.”

A recall effort funded by the Santa Ana police union against a council member who voted against police pay raises is moving forward.

Santa Ana Councilwoman Cecilia Iglesias (Courtesy of the city of Santa Ana)
The recall drive against Councilwoman Cecilia Iglesias, which garnered more than 16,000 signatures, was submitted to the city on Dec. 18 and delivered the following day to the Orange County Registrar of Voters. The Registrar’s office has until Feb. 3 to verify the signatures and return those results to the city.

To qualify for a ballot, the recall bid will need to have at least 10,865 valid signatures, Registrar Neal Kelley wrote in an e-mail.

Meanwhile, a separate recall drive against Santa Ana Councilman Juan Villegas, who also voted against police pay raises, appears to have stalled or stopped. In recent months, paid signature gatherers who earlier this year were urging Santa Ana residents to approve both recall efforts, have focused solely on Iglesias.

The councilwoman said Monday that recall is political payback for her vote earlier this year against the police contract and its new pay raises.

“This tells you: ‘Who has the money has the power,’” Iglesias said.

“City Hall is being managed by third-party interests.”

The Santa Ana police union is funding the drives against the council members, according to campaign disclosure statements filed with the City Clerk’s office. The Police Officers Association has spent $220,000 since last July to oppose Iglesias, most of it going to a committee dubbed “Neighbors Supporting the Recall of Cecilia Iglesias.” The union has given another $100,000 to “Neighbors Supporting the Recall of Juan Villegas.”

Gerry Serrano, the union’s president, wrote in an email that the POA is supporting Iglesias’ recall because “her behavior while in office has been unethical, unprofessional and criminal.”

“She has slandered the police officers association. She has illegally interfered in personnel matters and does not support public safety; she voted no on the city budget and the police budget. (The) illegal behavior must not go unchecked.”

Iglesias has openly criticized Serrano. Her hashtag for him on Facebook is “#greedygerry.”

“Gerry has taken a personal stand on me because I’ve called him out. And he doesn’t like it. He’s never been called out,” Iglesias said Monday.

Serrano wrote in e-mails to the Register that Iglesias has slandered, libeled and defamed him and the union, and insisted that such conduct “is criminal.”

The POA and Serrano made similar complaints to the council on June 28, when an attorney for the union asked city officials to investigate Iglesias for city ethics and code violations.

“Councilmember Iglesias has used language that is the opposite of civil and courteous such as calling Sergeant Serrano a bully and corrupt, and that implies improper action on his part to act for personal gain,” attorney Charles Goldwasser of Sherman Oaks wrote in the letter to Mayor Miguel Pulido and the city council.

No city action has been taken, Serrano said Monday.

Iglesias voted against the city and police budget because she said she did not support $25 million in police pay raises, which included retroactive increases and extra money for long-time officers. It is not illegal to vote against the budget.

In August, when asked about allegations that the union is behind the recalls, Serrano told the Register: “we are evaluating this as it progresses.” But by the date of that email, Aug. 6, the union had done more than evaluate. The union had spent a total of $50,000 against Iglesias and Villegas, according to records filed with the city.

“It’s a waste of everybody’s time but Gerry wants to prove a point,” Iglesias said.

Both Iglesias and Villegas voted in February against spending $25 million for police pay raises. The raises are being funded by Measure X, a sales tax approved by Santa Ana voters in 2018 that is expected to generate some $60 million annually.

That 1.5 % tax – which makes Santa Ana’s 9.25 % sales tax the highest in Orange County – was supposed to fund a number of city services, including police. But a citizens’ committee tracking the money said recently that most of that tax is being spent on police expenses and other city debt.

Meanwhile, the police department recently announced that it hired 50 new officers this year, “something that has not occurred (in Santa Ana) in over 20 years.”

Iglesias and Villegas both said they support police officers but want to see fiscal responsibility. Both said the police union is out of line with the recalls.

“It’s unfortunate that police officer dues are being used for this type of propaganda. I wholeheartedly support the men and women of the Santa Ana police department, not their union,” Villegas said.

Iglesias, a Republican, said the paid canvassers collecting signatures spread misinformation about her in the predominantly Latino city. In one flyer, which misspells her name, her smiling City Hall photo appears next to one of Donald Trump, angry and screaming: “Inglesias=Trump.” Iglesias shared the flyer on Facebook.

“They were people not from Santa Ana, paid canvassers, who were misguiding individuals,” she said.

One of the union’s talking points, according to Iglesias, is that she supports having a homeless shelter in Santa Ana. But Iglesias has vociferously opposed having her city be the county’s dumping ground for the homeless. Last month, she told county supervisors that their plan to open a new shelter in Santa Ana means they don’t care about the city’s Latino community and consider its residents second-class citizens.

If enough signatures are certified as accurately belonging to Santa Ana voters, the matter goes back to the City Council to decide when it should be placed on the ballot. It’s unclear when a recall election would take place and whether it would necessitate a special election — which could cost the city about $500,000, City Clerk Daisy Gomez said.

It’s unclear whether the recall could be included on the November ballot. Iglesias plans to be on that ballot already — she’s running for mayor.

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